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Misidentified photo

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The photo of Mt. McKinley in 1987 ( File:Mt.McKinley 1987.jpg ) doesn't appear to be McKinley/Denali. Not sure what that is, but it sure isn't Mt. McKinley. Will be removing it unless someone objects.Ron Clausen (talk) 12 December 2023.

I was just checking into this when you removed the photo. (Just FYI, it doesn't hurt to give people a week or two to respond.) In this case, though, I tend to agree. The image was obviously taken in winter, which means if it's Alaska then the sun would be to the south, or the right side of the pic. From that angle, it almost looks like a photo of the North Peak, but the background is all wrong. Especially the two bodies of water on the upper left and the upper right. Nothing like that around Denali, and even if one could argue that those are the glacial moraines, they'd still be facing the wrong directions. I'm pretty well convinced this photo is not Denali, nor even one of the surrounding mountains, so I support your removal.
It might not hurt to contact the uploader of the image just to ask where they got it from. I notice they attribute the author as a well-known professor of geology, who even has an article on German Wikipedia. I don't know if they are one and the same, but I don't see anywhere where the named author has given us permission to use it, unless the uploader is the author. I haven't found another copy of it on the internet anywhere either. It might be worth doing a little digging into, since this photo is used on other Wikipedias. Zaereth (talk) 01:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Former name of the mountain

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Can I make it say “Mount McKinley redirects here”? Griffin Wilkins (talk) 07:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The question would be why? Usually when that is done it's because another article with a very similar name redirects here. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Just making a comment, the link for reference #12 is no longer active. Might be available on Wayback but not sure the right process to correct the issue.


12 Brease, P. (May 2003). "GEO-FAQS #1 – General Geologic Features" (PDF). National Park Service. Retrieved March 17, 2013. Webgyk343 (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to get User:InternetArchiveBot to fix it now. It used to do these things automatically but apparently you can request it for specific pages now. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well crap, it completed the task while I was writing that comment but didn't make any changes. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ran it again with different settings, and it seems to have rescued a different dead link. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks for the quick response. I figured out how to edit link to add a archive link, I apologize if I interfered. I added a archive link to: https://web.archive.org/web/20080210130333/http://www.nps.gov/dena/upload/Brief%20Geology%20of%20Mt.pdf Webgyk343 (talk) 19:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, we rescued two refs. Go team. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change article name back to Mount McKinley

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American President Donald Trump announced the reverting of Denali’s name to Mount McKinley during his inauguration speech on January 20, 2025. ReformedPastor1 (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change should probably occur on the signing of the executive order 104.12.34.41 (talk) 17:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. While the change by the new administration should be noted, it is not something that governs common usage until reliable secondary sources start using the same terminology consistently. Acroterion (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Woah. While that might be true, upon the last executive change from McKinley to Denali, you were the editor involved who moved the article to it's current location within two days of Obamas order. Did Wikipedia rules change since then or were you wrong to move it back in Aug 2015? The road should be the same no matter which side we drive on. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I adjusted a mistaken move by Muboshgu from "Mount McKinley" --> "Mount Denali" to "Denali" in August 2015. [1]. There never was and never has been a "Mount Denali." Muboshgu made the substantive move. Acroterion (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I've seen people trying to change Denali National Park and Preserve to Mount McKinley, at least in peripheral articles. Denali National Park and Preserve was established by Congress in the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. Legislation would be required to change the name. Acroterion (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected. However the last formal RM to Denali disdained any kind of common name in favor of consensus (as is standard for Wikipedia). It pretty much happened instantly and the same could easily be done again. The mountain is known by so many different names but the most common today is Denali with Mt McKinley being a second choice. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The President has now signed the executive order (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/) however the order directs the US Secretary of the Interior to change the name - rather than actually changing the name "within 30 days of the date of this order"... so Mount McKinley will not be the official name until the Interior Secretary officially changes it Snspigs (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nah. 165.120.194.52 (talk) 165.120.194.52 (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As of now, Trump's intended renaming of Denali to Mount McKinley is not official, only his future plans. Should he do so, and if he is even able to, I'm not too sure if this would necessitate renaming the article regardless, as the mountain may continue to be commonly referred to as Denali, similar to any potential attempts to rename the Gulf of Mexico. While these would both be official names used by the United States government, it's difficult to predict how well these changes would catch on, if at all. In the case of Denali, it at least is a fully American-controlled geographical feature. So as of now, I would suggest to wait for any official actions to be taken. FBryz (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The executive order on renaming the Gulf of Mexico is just pure nonsense as the body of water is shared between two countries, and I think it even has a small surface that falls under the category of international waters. As for Mount Denali, as you said, the geographical feature is within US territory so it can be renamed. Accuratelibrarian (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't matter how many countries share a body of water. This is the English Wikipedia, and the US is the English-speaking country the Gulf is most pertinent to. If it goes through, it should be respected. In Asia, no one can agree on the name of the waters there. The respective languages just use their own names. 2001:16B8:BA26:DD00:1D80:1E1C:9156:7355 (talk) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh please. A huge chunk of Americans maybe even half still call it mount mckinley or at least use them interchangeably, let alone at the time of the change. I personally like Denali more but if the government calls it mount mckinley the article is mount McKinley. 2600:4040:5037:A100:FD9E:5885:98FC:9E1E (talk) 04:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amen!!!! 108.174.117.24 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025

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Change the name back to Mount McKinley -President Trump 208.107.210.71 (talk) 17:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Too soon; wait for President Trump to sign the executive order making the official name change. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/ It's in. Please move 141.193.188.133 (talk) 02:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately, Wikipedia is not beholden to the whims of the United States. We have a process, and we'll follow it. --Golbez (talk) 02:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That executive order says that the name change has to be made in 30 days. In other words, the name change isn't immediate. Feed Me Your Skin (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The executive order has apparently now been signed (see https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/), however the change of this article's name may depend more on common usage as mentioned by others on this talk page Snspigs (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It may. It did not when it moved to Denali. It got moved because more editors here wanted it moved. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The move to Denali however many years ago being unjustified does not make it justified to break the rules now Snspigs (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025 (2)

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Denali is soon to be renamed back to Mount McKinley. The link and main name should be changed back to Mount McKinley. 2600:1700:63D5:FB60:2417:BB05:A5B1:5E69 (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Too soon; wait for President Trump to sign the executive order making the official name change. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And even then it would be federally. If it is still officially Denali in Alaska, and if Denali is the most common name, wouldn't we possibly write it as "Denali, officially Mount McKinley, ...."? There might be lots of options here to discuss. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He signed it. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/ Behun (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at the very least this would require a formal move request, unlikely to be uncontroversial. I suggest we wait to see e.g. the exact wording of Trump's order, the reaction of Alaska state authorities. PatGallacher (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The last go around in 2015, when it was officially changed to Denali by president Obama, Wikipedia threw common name out the window in favor of the official US name... within about a day or two. Consensus won out (as it usually does here). It might happen again. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Mount McKinley" in infobox?

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Infoboxes typically have official names and not colloquial names. Derpytoucan (talk) 02:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The official name currently is Denali - which will not change until the Secretary of the Interior formally changes the name, not when the President signs an executive order directing him to do so. Snspigs (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Calling it a colloquial name is deeply insulting to thousands of years of Alaska native history, by the way. Beeblebrox Beebletalks 03:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly changes my point lol. Derpytoucan (talk) 04:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, your point sucks just fine without it. Beeblebrox Beebletalks 04:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On Wikipedia, official names go in the infobox. Cry about Trump winning some more though. Derpytoucan (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mount McKinley as the US government authorized name should take priority over a colloquial name

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Mount McKinley is the legal name and was already the most commonly known name among most Americans before anyway. Even if that may not be the case in Alaska, of course Denali should be recognized, but the Wikipage should be called Mount McKinley perhaps with Denali in brackets. Alfred Carbo (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copying my answer from before – the official name currently is Denali, which will not change until the Secretary of the Interior formally changes the name, not when the President signs an executive order directing him to do so. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/ Snspigs (talk) 02:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly even if Mount McKinley does become the legal name again (it hasn't) that dosen't mean we should rename the wikipedia page, there are plenty of wikipedia pages about geographical features whos name on here is different from the official name, just have a redirect from the official name & you're good. GodoftheTranses (talk) 03:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Denali itself was a legal name change, and the article was changed to reflect that decision. Should the same not be done in this instance? Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 03:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
no article names are changed in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME- likely we would wait a year or more to see if reliable secondary non-official sources use the new name to judge if the new name is commonly used. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well that is absolute baloney on Wikipedia. It was changed to Denali over the common name... and done instantly. It would actually be hypocritical to not change it back or to at least see where consensus lays. As before common name should have no bearing. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mt. McKinley is already the more commonly used name. Its usage never really diminished after either of the renamings. anikom15 (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In August 2015, this article was immediately moved to the Denali name. If the name change is confirmed, why shouldn't we move it then? Ravensfire (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not 2015, we should follow the standards of name changes we use as a community today. I can't say I would know the details of why, how or if the article was moved immediately 9 years ago. As for if it is still commonly used- @Anikom15 or other editors are welcome to provide evidence of it (e.g. NOW corpus, ngrams, year-by-year searches), etc. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware, there's an odd disconnect in a few policies, with this being one of them. I actually fully expect that on the next Democratic president we'll go through all of this again. Interestingly, most Alaska politicians are against the name change. I was in Denali and Talkeetna this summer, and just about everything you saw was Denali outside of a few older signs for McKinley. Ravensfire (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion as an absolutely enraged Alaskan may be taken with a grain of salt here, but calling this a "colloquial" name is outrageous. This was the mountain's name for thousands of years before some yahoo randomly decided it was Mt. McKinley. Denali has been the common name amongst those of us who actually live in the state for a very long time. If you called it "McKinley" you were calling yourself out as a tourist. That was the case at least thirty years ago. Although I'm aware that the president really enjoys showing his disdain for people who are not white, it isn't just Alaska Natives that call it Denali, it is everybody in this state regardless of political persuasion. Beeblebrox Beebletalks 03:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From my short impression, 100% agree. I mean, use a name that's connected to the history and culture of the land and the original people, or use the name of a President from Ohio. I know that the official US docs will change the name, will be interesting to see about the national park (as that's not going to be cheap to update all of the signage). National media will probably change to something like Mount McKinley, formerly Denali, local media is probably a toss-up (at best). International will be somewhat based on suckup I think. Bah, rather pissed this is happening at all. Ravensfire (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Executive order is not renaming the national park, just the mountain. But yeah it's gonna depend on what sources are used not official names EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The name of the national park was changed decades before the mountain. It seriously doubt it will be going back. Beeblebrox Beebletalks 04:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The park was named legislatively, and can’t be changed by executive action. Acroterion (talk) 04:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
a handful of people calling something by one name does not negate the fact that hundreds of millions called it mt mckinley. a handful of people being outraged at it being called mt mckinley does not change the fact that hundreds of millions were outraged at the change to denali. it was changed instantly on wikipedia, so it should be changed to mt mckinley promptly, too Flynnwasframed (talk) 03:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because policy may have not been followed nine years ago doesn’t mean we should intentionally break it this time to “be fair”.  novov talk edits 04:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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